> ## Content Index > Fetch the complete content index at: https://www.trxl.co/llms.txt > Use this file to discover other available public pages before exploring further. # My Favorite Moments from Episode 244 "Who Signs When the AI Is Wrong?" - URL: https://www.trxl.co/favorite-moments-trxl-244/ - Published: 2026-10-28T13:00:22.000Z - Updated: 2026-10-28T13:00:21.000Z - Description: 💬 Eighteen lines worth keeping from TRXL 244, the last episode of Arc 2. Thirteen voices on who signs when the AI is wrong, how much checking is enough, and what happens to the people coming up. - Author: Evan Troxel - Tags: Leadership Edge, Favorite Moments, Artificial Intelligence (AI), Licensure, Professional Development, Business Model, AEC Industry, Michael Jansen, Ariel Cooke-Zamora, Oliver Goldman, Roderick Bates, Mike Soldan, Randall Stevens, Jesper Wallgren, Holger Kreienbrink, Scott Reynolds, Theodoros Galanos, Matt Wash, Marty Rozmanith, Campbell Yule, TRXL Newsletter Every episode of this series, I go back through the full conversation and pull the lines I don't want you to miss. Here are 18 of them from Episode 244, “Who Signs When the AI Is Wrong?” Each one has who said it and a timestamp if you want to hear it in context. ## On liability | ![Michael Jansen](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/09/Michael_Jansen-1.png) | “Arch-e is not a licensed architect, didn't go through the NCARB process, and doesn't sign drawings. So how do we make sure that there's a human being, a project designer in charge, who is responsible in the end for what happens and maintains control?”**Michael Jansen**, TwinMaster · [▶ 0:51:00](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=3060) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Ariel Cooke-Zamora](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/08/Ariel_Cooke_Zamora.png) | “With any AI workflow integrated into architecture and engineering, at the end of the day, it's going to be someone's professional stamp on the piece of paper… it's going to be the person with the stamp that's going to be held liable.”**Ariel Cooke-Zamora**, Bimbeats · [▶ 0:11:20](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=680) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Oliver Goldman](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/09/Oliver_Goldman-1.png) | “Ultimately, I'm responsible for the products that I deliver. I'm accountable for those, and it doesn't matter what tools I use or how good they are or they aren't, I still carry that accountability.”**Oliver Goldman**, Autodesk · [▶ 0:16:53](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=1013) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Roderick Bates](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/09/Roderick_Bates-1.png) | “You're still going to have to have humans in the loop, at least for the very purpose of absorbing liability… Somewhere there has to be a person who is going to have a disincentive to do things poorly, and a machine won't. AI doesn't care. It may seem very human, but it does not care.”**Roderick Bates**, Chaos · [▶ 1:58:31](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=7111) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ## On how much to trust the output | ![Mike Soldan](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/09/Mike_Soldan-1.png) | “Hallucination is starting to disappear. The models are good enough… Inaccuracy based on poorly structured data and poorly accessed data is a bigger problem.”**Mike Soldan**, Egnyte · [▶ 0:03:52](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=232) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Randall Stevens](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/08/Randall-Stevens-hedcut.png) | “As soon as you've run some automation tool across your whole \[project\], somebody's probably going to need to go say, “I now need to go look at every piece of data,” unless you can automatically check it somehow. Now I've got more work to do. You just created more work, not less work.”**Randall Stevens**, AVAIL · [▶ 0:09:51](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=591) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Jesper Wallgren](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/08/Jesper_Wallgren.png) | “The AI is great at finding things, but it's not 100% sure. It's just like if you had asked Claude about your Excel file and it calculates things wrong and misses things. That's the current state of AI.”**Jesper Wallgren**, Finch · [▶ 0:29:14](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=1754) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Roderick Bates](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/09/Roderick_Bates-1.png) | “If you had an intern that did this, and you said, “No, you did this wrong, let me show you,” and they said, “Okay, got it,” and then you gave them a new project and they did the same thing wrong again, I think that person might be packing up their desk. And yet with AI, you say, “Well, I'll give it a pass.””**Roderick Bates**, Chaos · [▶ 0:36:30](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=2190) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Holger Kreienbrink](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/08/Holger_Kreienbrink.png) | “I guess people will check it one time, three times, five times, 10 times, and then check it less and less and less, and being more confident that what the AI has created is okay with them. I guess that's where we're going.”**Holger Kreienbrink**, Graphisoft · [▶ 0:44:04](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=2644) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ## On what the tools catch, and what nobody has measured | ![Scott Reynolds](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/09/Scott_Reynolds.png) | “Does it catch every mistake? No, it is not 100% coverage and replacement of a plan review. Not at all. It is very much that second set of eyes over your shoulder.”**Scott Reynolds**, UpCodes · [▶ 0:54:23](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=3263) | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Theodoros Galanos](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/09/Theodoros_Galanos-1.png) | “We're very strict teachers against AI. I don't know if we are as strict on ourselves… Okay, you can do it 93%. Oh, that's not enough, because I need 99\. Are we 99? Do we know that?”**Theodoros Galanos**, Aurecon · [▶ 0:58:09](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=3489) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ## On how AI is affecting practice | ![Holger Kreienbrink](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/08/Holger_Kreienbrink.png) | On who you need to hire: “Someone who knows how to check. And there we come to the problem again. The juniors, will they be able to check it in 20 years?… You need to understand the logic of building to check what the computer and the AI does in the end.”**Holger Kreienbrink**, Graphisoft · [▶ 1:00:41](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=3641) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Matt Wash](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/08/Matt_Wash.png) | On where architects add value: “I went to the viewing \[of a new property\] and I stood on the street and I thought, “This doesn't have a nice feel.” Straight away I knew there was no way the AI was ever going to tell me what it felt like to be in that space.”**Matt Wash**, Bimbeats · [▶ 1:24:00](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=5040) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Scott Reynolds](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/09/Scott_Reynolds.png) | On blind trust: “There is AI brain rot. And I think there's a temptation of people to outsource a lot of the critical thinking to AI systems. And I think that's when you're using it in a detrimental way.”**Scott Reynolds**, UpCodes · [▶ 1:29:50](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=5390) | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | | ![Marty Rozmanith](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/08/Marty_Rozmanith.png) | On the transition from CAD to BIM: “In a way, back in the day, it was a raising of the bar, which I think took a little while for the profession to overcome. So if there's a lowering of the bar now, maybe it's about time.”**Marty Rozmanith**, Skema · [▶ 1:38:50](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=5930) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ## On fees, jobs, and what comes next | ![Oliver Goldman](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/09/Oliver_Goldman-1.png) | “As programmers, we've gotten enormously more productive, and yet the number of jobs in the field has just continued to increase. Why? Because it turns out that if it takes fewer people to produce one piece of software, what the world wants is more \[...\] software.”**Oliver Goldman**, Autodesk · [▶ 1:12:21](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=4341) | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Campbell Yule](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/08/Campbell_Yule.png) | “If you're charging out on an hourly rate, and your work that previously used to take you 100 hours now takes you 70 because AI has helped you out, maybe you can increase your hourly rate by a little bit because you're using some technology… you've sort of given away that productivity gain to the client.”**Campbell Yule**, campbellyule.com · [▶ 2:23:20](https://youtu.be/aI89npnKpk4?t=8600) | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ![Mike Soldan](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/2026/09/Mike_Soldan-1.png) | “What I tell firms to focus on is automate your margin savers. 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