Especially watch at 5:33. Wow.

087: ‘The Drumbeat of Change’, with Robert DeMillo and Jilbert El-Zmetr

A conversation with Robert DeMillo and Jilbert El-Zmetr.

076: ‘The Answer’s Always Yes’, with René Morkos

A conversation with René Morkos.

063: ‘The Thicc Middle‘, with Daniel Davis

A conversation with Daniel Davis.