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# 079: ‘Changing the Relationship’, with Greg Schleusner
- URL: https://www.trxl.co/079/
- Published: 2022-04-19T04:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2023-03-13T12:43:10.000Z
- Description: A conversation with Greg Schleusner.
- Author: Evan Troxel
- Tags: Change Management, BIM, Cloud, Productivity, UI/UX, Greg Schleusner, #sqs, #Import-podcast, #admin-gablmedia-com, TRXL Podcast, #ghost-concierge-2

Special guest Greg Schleusner of HOK joins the podcast to talk about the /fact/ that the software we all use to do our architectural projects is a major barrier to creativity and productivity. The question is... can something be done about it? In other words, BIM is bust! Now what?

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### Links

- [Greg on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/glschleusner/)
- [Greg on Twitter](https://twitter.com/gschleusner)
- [HOK website](https://www.hok.com)
- [HOK on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/company/hok/)
- [HOK on Twitter](https://twitter.com/HOKNetwork)
- Recommended watching/reading:

  - Greg Schleusner’s NXT BLD 2021 Presentation: [Creating Balance](https://nxtbld.com/videos/greg-schleusner/)
  - [BIM is bust: how should AEC data work?](https://aecmag.com/collaboration/bim-is-bust-how-should-aec-data-work-hok/) by Martyn Day at AEC Magazine
- [buildingSMART International - Technical Room](https://www.buildingsmart.org/standards/rooms/technical/)
- Check out my other podcast too: [Archispeak](https://archispeakpodcast.com/)
- [My YouTube channel](https://YouTube.com/etroxel)

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