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# 048: ‘How it Started; How it’s Going’, with Ian Keough and Clifton Harness
- URL: https://www.trxl.co/048/
- Published: 2021-07-06T04:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2023-03-13T12:43:04.000Z
- Description: A conversation with Ian Keough and Clifton Harness.
- Author: Evan Troxel
- Tags: Innovation, Startup, Leadership, Firm Culture, Ian Keough, Clifton Harness, #sqs, #Import-podcast, TRXL Podcast, #ghost-concierge-2

Special guests Ian Keough of Hypar and Clifton Harness of TestFit join me to talk about the evolution they've experienced in their different kinds of startups (platform versus product, respectively), and take us behind the scenes to share what it's like running companies, building teams, and building software as CEO's.

Other potential unused episode titles from our conversation: ‘A Whole Flotilla’ and ‘Feral Desire’ (thanks to Clifton), which are now going on the list of good names for bands.

![TestFit: How it Started; How it's Going](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/content/v1/4fb6ec4fe4b093525981eab3/1625701537596-70GRKOPGKGMS2WQU3JJ7/twitter_e5s2hczweaekz_i.png)

![Hypar: How it Started; How it's Going](https://storage.ghost.io/c/93/80/9380fef7-629b-48bf-9c81-27fe48a999cc/content/images/content/v1/4fb6ec4fe4b093525981eab3/1625701541562-B1VVH56I12QO1IUCZ0VG/twitter_e5tupwqxeak7mk5.jpg)

TestFit: How it Started; How it's Going / Hypar: How it Started; How it's Going

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### Links

- Ian Keough

  - [Ian on twitter](https://twitter.com/ikeough)
  - [Ian's YouTube talk to the AIA Strategic Council](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBtRFBsLCLU)
  - TRXL podcast episode 003: [‘A Local Maxima’, with Ian Keough](http://trxl.co/podcast/003)
- Hypar

  - [Hypar website](https://hypar.io)
  - [Hypar's YouTube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5XHo1ONW3qexBX7v%5FWCQkg)
- Clifton Harness

  - [Clifton on twitter](https://twitter.com/HarnessClifton)
  - [Clifton's YouTube talk to the AIA Strategic Council](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXMylSqNECQ&t=158s)
  - TRXL podcast episode 005: [’BIM is a T-Rex‘, with Clifton Harness](http://trxl.co/podcast/005)
- TestFit

  - [TestFit website](https://testfit.io)

    - eBook: [18 Ways to Increase Density in Multifamily Buildings](https://testfit.io/eb-18-ways-to-increase-density-in-multifamily-buildings/)
  - [TestFit's YouTube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh2tC%5FQuJ%5F%5FNIdDI0ubFmuA)
- [Bad Monkeys](http://www.badmonkeys.net)
- [Case, Inc.](https://www.linkedin.com/company/case-design-inc/about/)
- Check out my other podcast too: [Archispeak](https://archispeakpodcast.com/)
- [My YouTube channel](https://YouTube.com/etroxel)

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